Periodic reminder of the Native American approach to minimizing the power of forest fires.
They say the California forests are not "natural." They were planted by humans, 10,000 to 20,000 years ago.
They learned that if you don't do controlled burns, that in
~100 years, you get fire tornadoes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mby72d2Vz30
It's difficult for many US people to accept that native Americans planted entire forests. They seem too big.
But just in the past 20 years, we've seen multiple examples in many countries, of one individual human creating entire forests. In India. Brazil. Indonesia. China. Etc.
Like this dude:
https://youtube.com/shorts/APL35AVtWqM?si=Zoqo8tJnKD4ptwuN
The Karuk tribe says, "Making forests is easy! Just plant a few trees every day for a few years. But some years are drier, hotter, and windier. You can't let fuel build up. If you don't do controlled burns, then 1 year within about 100, you will pay a terrible price. The sky will turn red."
Indigenous people learned this the hard way when they were starting out planting forests. They said that the biggest fires crossed entire rivers by raining burning embers for miles, and "created their own weather of wind and lightning." Entire villages disappeared.
Of course we didn't believe them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q92H5PHsWQY
I guess what I'm saying is, all those feel good videos of people planting entire forests in Brazil and India and China and Mexico etc, are probably making the same mistake that indigenous people in those same places made *checks notes* 20,000 years ago, before they figured it out.
Yes, we do some burns. No, we don't do enough. There's still too much fuel.
And we stopped burns for the better part of the past 100 years. We started limited burns again in large part due to the advocacy of people like Dr. Frank Lake, a Karuk person who also has a PhD in Environmental Sciences.
https://research.fs.usda.gov/about/people/franklake#orgs-tab
To put it in perspective, in 2023, California treated 700,000 acres. That's a lot! But California has ~33 million acres of forest.
For much of the past 20,000 years, many parts of that 33 million acres were treated regularly. Then for the most recent 100 years, they were mostly not treated at all.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/01/08/california-forest-management-hotter-drier-climate/
@mekkaokereke there's also increasing evidence (I don't have the study at hand, but I could probably track it down if you haven't seen it) that regions with high "natural" biodiversity in the Amazon are actually heavily cultivated areas, maintained over thousands and thousands of years by the folks living there.
(Who, incidentally, have been saying that the whole time.)
The forests just don't look like European-style row crops, so we don't see them.
@cliffle @mekkaokereke this is the central thesis of Seeing Like A State. Strongly recommended.
I'm pretty sure I've heard of this too, in a slightly different form -- I've seen a claim that there are patches of the Amazon that have anomalously high densities of human-edible plants, which are thought to be a botanical remnant of prior cultivation.
I've never actually run it down for critical assessment.
Edit to add, might be this one (Nature paywall, but abstract is readable):
They made biochar. That's the only reason there is anything edible in the Amazon. The ancient people engineered it.
@cliffle @mekkaokereke this is interesting. I wonder whether it is easy to model mathematically. Maybe I should write a paper about it...