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Cassandrich

The level to which systemd stans demand you prove claims against systemd that you didn't even make as soon as they see you say something they interpret as vaguely "anti-systemd" is really astounding and impressive.

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Irenes (many)

@dalias right, like, the really frustrating thing is that we like almost all of systemd's architectural decisions... and we do believe there need to be more people paying attention to overall ecosystem health stuff with Linux... but we don't like the clear hegemonic intent. BDFL is not an appropriate governance structure for something with this scope.

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Cassandrich

@irenes At least 75% of my objection to systemd is governance & unilateral imposition of policy.

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@dalias @irenes

Really feels like the bazaar is turning into a handful of cathedrals.
Gnome, systemd, and a couple of powerful distros laying down the law.

Its creepy. And I actually *like* a couple (but not all) systemd modules.

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The Doctor

@RL_Dane @dalias @irenes@mastodon.social The problem with cathedrals is centralized, organized religion and the enforcement thereof.

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@drwho @dalias

Yes, that's the idea of the analogy, although I confess I haven't read the book yet.

Cassandrich

@RL_Dane @drwho Don't bother. It's all a bunch of the author's wacky theories on economics & society projected onto the FOSS world. Basically "FSF is evil church institution (ok, true), Open Source is good cos capitalism 🙄".

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Cassandrich

@RL_Dane @drwho ESR was rather skillful at using obfuscating language to sound smart and detached from his politics. It could have been titled "The Elites vs the Free Market".

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The Doctor

@dalias @RL_Dane I guess it was too tortured a metaphor for what I was originally trying to say.

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@dalias @drwho

Ah. I had no idea it was about "Free Software" vs "Open Source."

I think the last 25 years have proven that the only thing you get by courting corporations is free stuff (nice, expansive codebases like the modern Linux kernel) and slavery (FOSS pimped out to corporate interests, the Linux Foundation completely owned and controlled by corporations destroying the heart of FOSS, etc.)

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@dalias @drwho

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RMS might be a total whackadoo and the FSF increasingly irrelevant, but I still think Free Software is the stronger ideology.

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FavoritoHJS

@RL_Dane @dalias @drwho
...can i have a citation on the "Linux Foundation completely owned and controlled by corporations destroying the heart of FOSS" bit?

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