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@mekkaokereke This would be huge, discoverability is a massive problem for Fedi especially with how your visibility into other servers is determined by... your own server choice! I really hope this completely fixes that problem.
@sethmlarson
I welcome this feature. I really do. It's clear QoL improvement.
But also, we kind of have to truly accept the fediverse as the patchwork network that it is, and stop wanting it to look and behave like a centealized system. Everyone treating server choice as if it *shouldn't* matter is going to really interfere with what this space could be.
Cenrealized social media exists already. People who want it are going to choose it over something that is just pretending.
Like, the the trend towards fediverse site genericzation has destroyed the value of the Global feed. If we were all on topic or community focused sites, it would be the "people who share your interests also follow these folks" tab. But it's actually just the "incomprehensible noise" tab, because the only thing people on a site have in common is that they're interested in "Mastodon".
We're being crushed by that damn pachyderm.
@mekkaokereke
This is one of the pushback arguments on safety features that is just weird to me.
"stop wanting it to look and behave like a centralized [sic] system. Everyone treating server choice as if it *shouldn't* matter is going to really interfere with what this space could be."
Where has anyone ever said that they want it to behave like centralized systems? When people say server choice shouldn't matter, they're talking about shouldn't matter *for safety.*
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All of these features that we're talking about now, (starter packs, composable moderation, etc) are not "features of centralized social media." They are not "features of BlueSky."
Versions were proposed first by Black Mastodon users, years before BlueSky ever existed. Some back in 2017. Yes, seriously.
They are Fediverse features. Or at least, should have been.
The ideas were ignored here, picked up and implemented at BlueSky, and are getting their 2nd life on Mastodon
@mekkaokereke @sethmlarson
Which safety feature are we talking about today? Because I'm not pushing back against anything here.
"I welcome this feature."
I quoted the part that doesn't make sense to me.
@mekkaokereke @sethmlarson
And what does it have to do with safety features?
@mekkaokereke @sethmlarson
To address the quoted part at least -- while I hope you excuse my confusion, because I feel like I'm missing some wider context -- the people who are wanting to treat the space as centralized social media are Mastodon GmbH.
Eugen and co have created a UI and UX that all but totally masks the fragmented, patchwork nature of the fediverse, and I lament that it's the platform that's gotten all the attention and support. The customization options are minimal, the branding is all long trunks and big ears, and they spent years ignoring calls for features that were distinguishing, or even helpful, right up until a bunch of Twitter users flooded in and said "I don't like how this works".
They then directed everyone to use their website.
Now we're talking about discovery issues again, but, like, if everything wasn't so genericized at the UX level, discovery would start at the Local timeline, because you'd already have something in common with the people there, and in the Global timeline, because that's who these other people you have things in common with are following.
The fact that those feeds are *totally useless* is a consequence of decisions made in a git repository controlled by one guy.
And I'm sad about that.
Can't wait!And a huge +1 to your suggestion of a size limit on the packs!
(Thanks for all that you do to identify any and all friction points for people migrating to Mastodon, and then working to smooth those over, pragmatically and manually at first, and then integrated and seamless later.)
Thanks. Looking forward to folding the Follow Pack initiative (@mastodonmigration.wordpress.com) into whatever emerges that is more convenient to use.
Besides size limits, the other lesson learned is that it is super helpful to load these packs into lists effectively creating topical feeds and organizing your follows.
To just follow all the pack accounts would undermine a lot the value since you would then need to add them to your lists manually.
@mekkaokereke I wonder if this will go in before my change to add Klingon as a language you can tag posts as being in.
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