The TikTok ban, the Musk Twitter takeover, the Facebook moderation policy changes, the Republicans’ rapidly intensifying crackdowns on speech... let these be the proof you needed to move anything you care about online to a space you control.
Digital sovereignty is more important than ever.
@molly0xfff Does that mean ultimately running our own server hardware though? Can we trust any of the popular hosting companies?
@gadgetgav there will always be someone upstream of you, whether it’s a hosting provider, ISP, etc. it’s up to the individual to decide how many upstream intermediaries they’re comfortable with. personally, i’m comfortable with having hosting providers upstream of my work so long as i have robust backups and can easily migrate any time.
Do not make the mistake I made, in letting my hosting company do my backups. I lost literally an entire site that has been online since 1995.
While I can reproduce a lot of my content, I can't reproduce 30 years of interactions, guest posts...just...poof...gone.
I note here that this is entirely my own damn fault. I should have been backing up everything myself. Mea culpa.
@MissConstrue @molly0xfff I had a domain and a blog of sorts 18 years ago when we bought this house and started renovations. I found some of the old assets on the NAS I cleared out. I’ll have to see if I’ve kept up the registration of the domain even if the site isn’t still up.
@gadgetgav They usually expire after your contract ends if you don't re-up it. That said, I have domains I registered and then didn't re-up, and the domains have never been reused, so I could get them again if I wanted them. You may find the same, hopefully!.
@molly0xfff @gadgetgav Easy migration is a key factor here. Migrating from e.g. Twitter is very costly because you lose many (most?) of the contacts. Migrating from hosting provider is much easier if you did your homework.
As an ISP, let me chime in: No, not necessarily. Just avoid any form of vendor-lock in (eg: onepage, wix, ...). Given your question, I assume, you are not overly tech-savvy.
you are also fine running a cheap virtual host or virtual server. It's also OK, if you use the hosting-companies SQL-Server for your CMS (I suggest you do, so no hassle for you with patching, upgrades and security stuff). Important is, that you have means to 'dump' the stuff and move it somewhere else.
Point is: use your own (domain-) name, so u can move your emails and or content somewhere else, with a limited amount of hassle.
So: No vendor-specific stuff. They will prey on u, as they can guesstimate what a move will cost you, and calculate from there how to extract the maximum amount of money from you.
Hosting with a hosting-company is perfectly fine, as long as you don't use their special-sauce, which will run exactly only on their servers.
And if you are using CMSs - by the love of god, limit the amount of plugins. The ideal amount is 0, for that matter, and before you ask.
@czauner @molly0xfff I’m not particularly tech-savvy, at least not to the point where I’d know how to host a physical server at home. I just fear that giving my business to GoDaddy is no better than giving it to Zuck or Musk…
@gadgetgav IMO having a hosting provider upstream of you is a considerably step up from having a social platform upstream of you
@molly0xfff @gadgetgav I am getting to the point where I do think, that learning how to set-up a server that does the stuff you need in the simplest of ways is part of my #digitalDefense
If I cannot do it, find someone who can and may help me with it.
@gadgetgav FWIW, there are loads of small hosting providers who are much better than Zuck or Musk
@gadgetgav @czauner @molly0xfff I'm a bit hesitant to suggest Wordpress with the drama Matt Mullenweg has created around it, but it's one of the most popular platforms for running a small website and there are plenty of providers offering various levels of managed hosting solutions. Also, exporting and moving on should be facilitated by the huge plugin ecosystem.
In general, picking an open source platform with fully managed hosting but with an option to go self-hosted is a good starting point.
@daaain @gadgetgav @molly0xfff
Yeah, we needed that WordPress drama really badly. But generally:
There is no one shoe fits it all. If your 'stuff' is mainly text - and not necessarily the layout an design of said text, then I see absolutely no problem here.
The Texts can easily migrated to $something_else if the shit really hits the fan.
If one is more 'artsy', and requires some multimedia-stuff and highly specific layouts (eg: a specific plugin and theme) then the answer is not so clear cut.
Note: I use 'you' in the following paragraphs not directed to the above poster, but to a curious reader without much IT-knowledge:
If you are a content-creator: ask around, what others are doing, und strike everything what looks like a closed shop (Facebook, Insta, Wix, onepage) from this list.
This will leave you with very few options left, and with these ask sbdy with an IT background, and who you trust. The Person should be able to explain you the pros and cons if the few options and help you to make an informed decision.
Damn, if I just have a week or two, I could really write the most important stuff in a kind of article. It will be a horrible article, as my writing is not the best, but maybe I would be able to cover the most important stuff.
Sorry, im on a train, and only on my cellphone. So ... I'm not overly competent when it comes to the US ISP market.
But GoDaddy is a larger player, and from what I know they offer basically everything from a naked VPS to a hosted WordPress.
Generally, this boils down how much of your time you want to invest in kindling your stuff (updates, etc, ...).
And, as I don't know you - and what you are intending to do, sorry, I can't give you solid advice.
SBDY should make a decision-flowchart, or something like this.
But if you are for instance talking WordPress: If you have SBDY who sets that up for you, and helps you decide for a holster, you should be fine.
If you keep the plugins to minimum, enable anything with auto updates, and have aforementioned person to check once or twice in a year, that should do it (major updates, like switching php-releases).
Sone Hosters and ISPs also offer WP setup and basing maintenance as a service, so there's that too.
@czauner @molly0xfff Thanks for the pointers. I guess I’ll be becoming a bit more tech savvy I. 2025
@czauner @gadgetgav @molly0xfff
Don't use GoDaddy.
They either sold, or allowed to be hacked, my email with them. After that I got a steady stream of phishing spams demanding payment for a non-existing domain. Also continual adverts from 3rd party web services.
It’s a valid concern. Ultimately you *can* still be shut down. But it’s a lot harder. There are many DNS providers out there (And GoDaddy is frankly one of the worst IMO). There’s only one Facebook provider.
You *can* move your own website to other providers for a long time before you run out of options.
@philip Any tips on better providers? I really don’t want to go back to GoDaddy
@gadgetgav Sure! So first thing, just in case it isn't obvious to you:
Who hosts your domain name, and who hosts the actual content of your site, do *not* need to be the same organization.
For my domains, I'm currently using https://www.hover.com as well as https://porkbun.com.
I've been happy with both, I've used Hover for far longer than Porkbun, but the latter is a bit cheaper. So for now my domains are split the two, I may consolidate later.
@gadgetgav For the actual content of my sites, I'm using GitHub Pages: https://pages.github.com right now, but there are tons of other options out there!
As mentioned earlier in the thread, the trick is to use "boring” standard technologies that are interchangeable. An HTML file will work on one of a thousand providers. Getting sucked into some cool new thing often means only the one vendor of that thing will work.
Check out @louie's post as a starting point: https://lmnt.me/blog/how-to-make-a-damn-website.html
@gadgetgav @philip
My preferred domain-name provider is gandi.net - I have been using them for decades. What is also important to note in these fraught times, is that they are in the EU, and thus have better laws protecting your privacy etc.
@kerravonsen Thanks for the tip!
@czauner @gadgetgav @molly0xfff I think most important part is having your own domain. What and how you host something on that doesn't matter, but having it on your own domain means you can move it, change it whenever and however you want.
@czauner @gadgetgav @molly0xfff
Never trust any company offering a free domain name registration.
Or at the very least when choosing a domain through a supplier check who they register the domain owner as. (Most will quietly register *their* ownership of your desired domain, and then charge you an arm and a leg to release it to you if you ever try to move. The lock-in is tight.)
@gadgetgav @molly0xfff that’s the route I’m going. If I can touch it, have root and anything going external is encrypted… that seems safest.
@gadgetgav @molly0xfff One thing I'd strongly caution you against is using the same provider for your host and your backups. It's a good idea to back up any websites you run to a machine at home, so in the event of a problem with your hosting company you have everything you need to port them somewhere else. An off the shelf NAS appliance from eg Synology is a good place to start, and can also be used to back up your desktop/laptop/whatever.
@woe2you @molly0xfff Ha! I had a NAS that was mostly disused apart from storing old photos so I just donated it to support the Citation Needed newsletter!
@gadgetgav @molly0xfff Talk to www.mega.nz
@gadgetgav @molly0xfff It keeps going doesn't it? Like how can you trust the hardware? Should you build your own? Etc
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io I always talk about data governance and sovereignty and my friends look at me as if I were some kind of prepper nut job. I hope this is a wake up call
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io this is why i prefer the Fediverse when it comes to choosing a social media over the mainstream internet.
@molly0xfff deleted my Twitter account the day, Musk took over the platform. My Instagram Account is set to be deleted 01.02.
@molly0xfff I built https://lmno.lol with portability in mind (entire blog in a single file). You don't have to rely on lmno.lol domain. I'll soon offer custom domains.
For example: https://xenodium.com now backed by https://lmno.lol/xenodium
The American democracy is destroyed for many years te come, there will be no fair elections anymore, people will lose there civil rights and poverty will become immense while the biljonairs will become richer and richer every day!
But hey, Trump is the guy you all voted for so don't complain. Every country gets the government they deserve!
@Luuk_Aalders @molly0xfff
I didn't vote for him.
@Luuk_Aalders @molly0xfff Trump got less than half the votes in a race heavily influenced by voter suppression, disinformation and a broken system. So some people deserve what's coming, but plenty tried their best to keep this from happening.
Anyway, how are Netherlands politics these days?
@molly0xfff Tiktok was also controlling the online space. They got caught suppressing LGBTQ content, or any content they didn't like as well as boosting any message that fits their own agenda. It wasn't an open or fair algorithm.
@Sibshops nowhere in this post am I arguing that people should look to TikTok (or Twitter or Facebook) for digital sovereignty
@molly0xfff Apologies, I just misread.