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* Looks out window at: three bus stops, 2-5 pubs, a row of restaurants, and a busy shopping street at ground level *

Reader, those things were all there before I moved here. They're a big chunk of the reason WHY I moved here. 17 years ago …

@cstross Possibly American? Their cities really are very functionally separated, usually.

Jason Madden

@rsynnott @cstross Yup, very American. Where I live in a middle-size US city, there's nothing but single family houses for as far as the eye can see. It's a 10 minute drive to a pub, a 15 minute drive to a restaurant, and a 20 minute drive to a bus stop.

@ossmkitty @cstross The 20 minute drive to a _bus stop_ is just bonkers to me; that’s _properly_ rural, here.

@ossmkitty @rsynnott If it's a 10 minute drive to the pub and a 20 minute drive to a bus stop, I can kinda see why American attitudes to alcohol and social drinking are w-e-i-r-d. (I can't even count the number of pubs within a 10 minute walk of here on my fingers. *Or* the bus stops.)

@cstross @ossmkitty @rsynnott this style of development, which is common in postwar suburbs, is definitely a factor in drunk driving

@ossmkitty @rsynnott @cstross

sure but nobody actually likes that. even when they think they do, they complain about it later.

@ossmkitty @rsynnott @cstross everyone actually likes urbanism when they get to live in it, americans are just afraid of not having room for the entirely too much stuff we all have, and space for a car that most people actually need because public transit is so bad.

@quinn @ossmkitty @rsynnott @cstross I never got a real appreciation for human scale, walkable neighborhoods until I lived in one

@juancnuno @ossmkitty @rsynnott @cstross it's like getting 20% of your brain back and getting to walk around and casually accomplish things quasi by accident.

@quinn @ossmkitty @rsynnott @cstross

Been there, done that, hated it more than you can possibly imagine.

I have no axe to grind with people who like that sort of thing, mind. Tastes differ. But my particular kind of introversion has me going slowly crazy from the intolerable psychic pressure of other people everywhere around me.

(Moving from UK urbanity to no-shared-walls American suburbia knocked a good 30 mmHg off my blood pressure.)