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I received a request from @ghost today to add #LDSignatures to @fedify for compatibility with #Mastodon, as Mastodon does not plan to implement Object Integrity Proofs (FEP-8b32) for the near future. 😩

However, Mastodon's implementation of LD Signatures does not even use valid JSON-LD properties (despite the name), so I'm not sure how to make it compatible with Mastodon since #Fedify does JSON-LD processing. 🤔

As the creator of Fedify, I'd like to see either ActivityPub implementations all deal with JSON-LD properly, or the ActivityPub spec gives up on JSON-LD. 😩

@hongminhee hey @thisismissem, @andypiper what do yall think of this situation? where are we going here? I keep seeing dev after dev complain about the JSON-LD issue with Mastodon and I personally dont even know where to stand on it but it seems its a major hurdle.

@liaizon @hongminhee @thisismissem I think it may be something long-standing here, is there an existing GitHub issue where I can get more background? I know it’s pretty complicated at this point though.

@liaizon @hongminhee @thisismissem (also asking as I’m on my phone walking right now and can’t search so easily!)

Emelia 👸🏻

@andypiper @liaizon @hongminhee the version of JSON-LD Signatures that mastodon supports is old, basically they implemented it, then the spec completely changed.

That's why stuff doesn't look right.

The question is then: how do you migrate forwards without breaking compatibility with existing deployments. That's gonna need time & money thrown at the problem to solve.

@thisismissem @liaizon @hongminhee agreed that it will take a while to resolve things due to the scale of the deployments.

@thisismissem @liaizon @andypiper @hongminhee

FEP-8b32 is designed to be compatible with existing implementations. The upgrade path for Mastodon may look like this:

1. Support multiple public keys per actor
2. Start publishing second Ed25519 key as described in FEP-521a
3. Start adding FEP-8b32 integrity proofs in addition to LD signatures (as specified in "Backward compatibility" section of FEP-8b32)
4. Stop adding LD signatures

Summary card of repository fediverse/fep
Codeberg.orgfep/fep/8b32/fep-8b32.md at mainfep - Fediverse Enhancement Proposals