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@aburka@hachyderm.ioWelp, looks like @nivenly is funding AI nonsense so I'm definitely leaving #hachyderm as soon as I decide where to go. Contribute to your instance admins, but not if the money goes to AI.
@aburka argh, first I've heard of it. I assume this is in reference to the "Haidra" project, any reference reading you can point me towards?
@aburka guess it's time to start shopping around 
@SnoopJ Taking suggestions! social.coop, fosstodon, infosec.exchange are on my list to look into
@zzt @nivenly To be honest, they are supposedly working on open governance plans, but... I haven't seen anything? It says at https://nivenly.org/governance "At any point any member of Nivenly can call for a general election on any topic they chose to suggest." Has that ever happened? Nothing on how to do that or where the records would be.
The words sound good but I've been losing confidence the longer it stays just words. And if they decided to prioritize spending on AI over that, then goodbye.
We hear you and we do allow members to open a general election on any topic, so if that's something you or any other member is interested in doing, then we can do it and have a discussion.
Nivenly exists precisely so we can create and grow these feedback loops to support community grown software. The AI Horde project came to us as an OSS project that was growing rapidly, and whose maintainer needed support to handle that rapid growth and what next steps to take.
As the first request for an election, we'll use some existing process and build new process as we go to ensure the issue is discussed and resolved.
Thus far, we've been using GitHub Issues as a starting point to thread Community Discussions that need to stay in one place (rather than threading, like on Mastodon). Based on discussion we can introduce the voting mechanism.1/2
In the longer term, we were hoping to have the voting tool of choice be something that avoided anyone needing to create a new account on another service, but we will likely use an existing tool of some kind so we can keep the discussion and election process for this particular issue moving rather than getting blocked on tooling. 2/2
We definitely hear your concern. Some things are being worked out re tooling decisions, although the model itself is worked out. Basically this means that we know the electoral process that needs to happen, but are trying to find the ability to support that process that doesn't involve Nivenly Members needing to create accounts on multiple services.
@aburka @nivenly I really dislike "buzzword of the month with no real product" / "Matthew McConaughey's speech in the Wolf of Wallstreet" nonsense personally, but AI being a buzzword aside, are all LLMs / machine learning / other things people mistakenly call "AI" vaporware? Sounds like a very broad statement to make (this specific product which I'm not familiar with aside). I get the sentiment, I'm just not sure it's possible to generalize that much
@yoavlavi Vaporware? I'm confused about what you are asking. LLMs don't seem like vaporware to me; there are tons you can use right now e.g. ChatGPT, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion (through this Haidra thing). I just think the technology is harmful for society in general.
@aburka Oh, I read "AI nonsense" as "not a real product" / "VC bait". The harm aspect is definitely a valid concern, I just misunderstood your reasoning