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@SecurityWriter @protonprivacy
I have a family account with Proton, which I will be canceling. It’s a shame.
@rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy I was giving mine a try, bought a couple domains, started organising accounts for different mailboxes etc. Was pleased but will not be continuing unfortunately.
@ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy personally use @nextcloud for nearly every service that proton provides with forwardemail(dot)net for email. Self hosting isn't for everyone, but it can be done with minimal effort and hardware. I also recommend using an overlay network like nebula or @tailscale so you're not exposing private services over the net, but can still access from anywhere.
@AlexanderMars @ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy @nextcloud
The REAL issue with self-hosted email is afterwards, to keep it out of blocklists and the like, if Microsoft and/or Google decide your server looks like a source of spam you're pretty much permanently screwed in many cases
@jherazob @AlexanderMars @ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy @nextcloud If they decide based on IP block reputation, you move to a different IP.
If they decide based on your domain identity, it's probably that you were actually spamming. I'd welcome any evidence to the contrary, but AFAICT a good 75% of the "don't host your own email because you'll get falsely accused of spamming and blocked everywhere" is from people who run businesses that want to spam (i.e. send anything other than receipts & account recovery emails).
@dalias @jherazob @AlexanderMars @ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy @nextcloud
No, Microsoft especially has started taking the policy that email coming from a domain without a long-established reputation is automatically spam, and you have to jump through hoops to get it delivered. But all of the major providers have started doing this.
I've been running my own mail server using the https://mailinabox.email service on my own domain with a fixed IP for six years, and I still have delivery problems. I am not a spammer, a quick look in Thunderbird indicates I had 28 email conversations in the past 12 months.
@firebreathingduck @jherazob @AlexanderMars @ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy @nextcloud Microsoft does do some bs, but IME not to the extent you claim. Gmail definitely doesn't do that. I can run an experiment if you like, with a domain previously unused for email...
@dalias @jherazob @AlexanderMars @ehproque @rk @SecurityWriter @protonprivacy @nextcloud
It's possible the IP for my mail server was previously owned by a spammer. To my knowledge, there's no easy way to check - but I'm a novice at that kind of thing.
I don't want to make extra work for you. If you feel like running an experiment, I'd love to see the results. But don't spend the time on my account.