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@ian@hachyderm.ioat what point does the industry in need of disruption become the tech industry
@ian At the point it created multi-millionaires, out of 20-something White men more excited by wealth accrual or market share, than by what technology can bring to society.
Selfishness vs service.
@ian At what point did society declare, "We want Instacart, we hate having to actually go out in public to schlep our groceries home."
At what point did society declare, "We want ghost restaurants where we don't know the people cooking our food, have no community, but love getting cheap shit delivered to our door from!"
At what point did society declare, "We want to invest in JPGs, why bother with art on... a wall?!"
@ian Society also never declared, "We hate public transit and 'city centers,' we want suburbs, urban sprawl, soul-less freeways, and endless personal debt/expense/headache from vehicle ownership!"
We didn't. Automobiles WERE a service to society. Until Henry Ford decided to disrupt society with his market offering, to the exclusion of everything else. Same, with his warheads.
@ninavizz @ian specifically on Instacart I always assumed for it to have an opportunity to exist it must be because of a failure of supermarkets in the US to offer delivery. Is my assumption correct?
For example in the UK all major supermarkets except the German discounters (Aldi & Lidl) have all offered online ordering & delivery probably for 20 years. We also now have a pure online supermarket think highly automated Amazon warehouse but just for food.
@ian By my measure, 10 years ago.
@NosirrahSec @ian I estimate more like 25. Ever since Longhorn and a "secure boot", to protect the system from its owner's wishes.
@dascandy @NosirrahSec @ian Longhorn was 2003.
@ian “about 12 years ago”
@ian Like, about a decade ago by my count.
@ian Qui disruptiat ipsos disruptes?
@ian In about 10 years. Maybe as much as 20.
I think right now we're going through a sort of final frenzy before tech* transitions into a mature industry*. That will take time to settle into some stable patterns and get regulated, and (please, god, hopefully) unionized.
"Disruption" is the subversion of regulations, labor protection, and injecting new middlemen. So there needs to be regulation, labor protection, and stable places for middlemen to exist, first.
*not an industry, but that's ok
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Probably around 1820 or 1830.
@ian The "tech" industry is just becoming another capitalistic business. The same happened to everything else (e.g. aviation, telecommunications, etc.). It is just another cycle of the industrial revolution, of which the tech industry revolution represents the third iteration, according to some.
@ian roughly two years ago...
@ian at least 40 years ago
@ian 15-20 years ago
Cassandra@ian I’d certainly vote for the point where it’s depleting the planet to generate incorrect information and systematize bias while resulting in hoarded wealth.
@ian now, I think now.
@ian the tech industry is going through disruption the last 1-2 years.
@ian Circa 2010?
@ian um... always has been? 
@ian I think "the tech industry" is a misconception. There is no unified industry, no common status quo and no independence of the industrial sectors being developed and disrupted by the use of new technologies or technologies being used in novel ways. Thinking of tech as one industry gives you stuff like blockchain as disruptions - which die for lack of an actually disruptive usecase.
@ian 2002 or so, I'd say
@ian. And capitalism