well that's a way to answer a question without answering a question https://docs.syncthing.net/users/faq.html#why-does-syncthing-connect-to-this-unknown-suspicious-address
so it turns out this open source dropbox-style thing has "relaying" on by default; it doesn't ask you, and instead assumes it's ok by you to just connect to random ips without asking first
I don't care that they "can't see my data", the assumption is a breach of trust
Of course, it took hunting down some forum thread to understand what was going on
open source projects really need to take this sort of user experience more seriously
the most popular third-party iPhone app for working with this has a process for setting up your Certificate Authority, and, you know, there's a point at which one says "fuck it I'll hand my data over to a private company who'll probably exploit me despite the fact that I'm paying them"
the general consensus seems to be: Phones aren't reliably connected, therefore phones can't be truly peer-to-peer devices, therefore you shouldn't try to sync files with phones
I really need to get around to writing my "an interface is an ideology" essay
@mattly If they think _only phones_ are unreliably connected, I have some _news_.
@pathunstrom I'm paraphrasing of course, but this is just reinforcing my belief that "the product role is that of abitrating the values of the project"
and if your values are "we just want something cool to hack on", well, congrats