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Re conferences that involve the U.S.: people should probably just do virtual ones if possible. If it’s not safe for others to enter the U.S. it’s also not safe for many people to leave it.
Many immigrants I know are not leaving right now as far as possible.
A Singaporean friend who went home for a routine visa stamping had his visa categorically and arbitrarily denied (this rarely happens to us) and he can’t return. The degree of fuckery is high all around
@skinnylatte I am telling immigrant parents NOT to take their unvaccinated kids out of the country. ONE non-vaccinated infant who lives in the Seattle area contracted measles while overseas in what circumstantial evidence suggests was South or Southeast Asia -- and I'm virtually certain that this regime will ignore the 150 white Christian kids with measles in Texas, and focus on the one immigrant kid with measles in Seattle to keep ALL IMMIGRANTS out or at least subject them to quarantine. It's just not safe to take non-white kids out of the country -- and it's always unwise to take unvaccinated infants -- until we know what the penalties are.
@skinnylatte I should mention that during the period of maximum infectiousness, these parents also took their infant to the Apple Store in Bellevue on the day the new iPhone came out, to the ER at Children's Hospital in Seattle twice, to a pediatrician in Bothell (my town) once, and to an allergist in Redmond once. Everyone who was at any of these locations last week needs to be checked out if they start feeling sick.
@troutgirl i saw that list of places!!
@skinnylatte The thing that I found interesting is that apparently not a one of these expert medical staffs except the last one (at the Seattle Children's ER) recognized symptoms of measles for like a week! It's just not something our doctors are used to worrying about.
@troutgirl @skinnylatte well - not anyone. Only those not vaccinated and who have not had measles.
Everyone else should be fine.
@kauer @skinnylatte Babies can't get vaccinated for measles until they're at least 15 months old. Also a lot of people my age and older apparently have waning immunity because the vaccines when we were kids weren't very good -- they should get a titer and a booster vaccine if necessary. We basically haven't had measles here since 1997 and that was the period where "religious exemptions" were given out freely, so if you were a child from the mid-90s to about 2019 you need to check to see whether you were vaccinated for measles. So yeah, nobody needs to worry about it except babies under 15 months, people over 50, or a whole generation of kids who weren't vaccinated because we thought measles was a dead issue.
@kauer @troutgirl @skinnylatte I don’t know why you’d think that. That’s a dangerous over simplification. There are infants, elderly, people who legitimately cannot be vaccinated, people who have that don’t know they didn’t build the immunity, and people without insurance.
@troutgirl @skinnylatte epidemiologist friend of mine used to say that the first symptom of measles was an urge to go visit the most crowded public venues possible
@chaucerburnt @skinnylatte That Apple store genuinely is the most crowded place on the whole Eastside on a Thursday evening, it's in the middle of a bougie mall with tons of bars and restaurants and hotel. Plus it was New iPhone Day.