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I haven't been very worried about AI, even though I'm a writer.

Why?

Because it takes a while for the law teams employed by the titans of old media to rumble to action, but it was always clear they were coming. These are the teams that don't sue other companies unless they're certain of winning.

And today, the New York Times sued OpenAI for several billion dollars.

nytimes.com/2023/12/27/busines

A lawsuit by The New York Times could test the emerging legal contours of generative A.I. technologies.
The New York Times · New York Times Sues OpenAI and Microsoft Over Use of Copyrighted WorkBy Michael M. Grynbaum

@Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io Except we know OpenAI and Microsoft will have planned for this, and Microsoft has very much been through and won on anti-trust suits, so getting an unethical and potentially illegal business model past legal challenges isn't new ground for them. My guess would be that like then they intend to win through with most but not all of it.

Doc Impossible

@alastair This isn't a regulatory case, though. Not even close. The law is completely different, and copyright has almost no loopholes--decades of lobbying from Disney and other old media titans have closed almost every single one, and the remainders don't stand a chance of protecting OAI here.

@Impossible_PhD@hachyderm.io I'm inclined to assume that broadly speaking anything Disney etc have considered, OpenAI/Microsoft will have. So to my mind that means they have planned for losing at this, which makes me wonder what the next gambit would be. They could perhaps pay the media companies for training data and I'm fairly skeptical that that would lead to much if anything extra for a lot of writers in many cases.

@alastair They've already said publicly that even the lowest possible training licensure fees would make AI impossible--like, at tenths of a cent per trained item, we're talking here. The volume they need to feed these things is *mind-shatteringly* large.