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If you're a fascist, then you're "Dark Enlightenment" by default, right? Conversely, if you say you're Dark Enlightenment, that implies you're at least on your way to fascism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enl

en.wikipedia.orgDark Enlightenment - Wikipedia

From what I can tell, NRx (Dark Enlightenment) is more of a club or a secret society than it is a political philosophy.

It's basically a way of being a quasi-fascist in public but you're also "vice signaling" that you're a full-on fascist acting discreetly.

They talk in their own terms (linked essay by Nick Land) about being "enlightened", but the enlightenment they seem to have found isn't any sort of higher spiritual or moral or ethical purpose.

Rather, they seem to be enlightened about the idea that it's possible to be a Nazi in the 21st century. Also, it's fun (for them) to be racist and sexist and bully people of other cultures and ethnicities.

web.archive.org/web/2013092516

web.archive.orgThe Dark Enlightenment, by Nick Land | The Dark Enlightenment

It's bizarre, this belief that academics and government bureaucrats are living large on "our tax dollars" and spending money wildly inappropriately, because they excuse the most extreme inequality and the hoarding of wealth by individuals accountable to no one. Completely hypocritical.

The most extreme example of that belief that I know is the guy who invented "assassination markets" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin) because he was so violently opposed to taxation that he wanted to murder tax agents.

en.wikipedia.orgAssassination market - Wikipedia

This is the type of "anarchy" that Libertarians are into, the kind where you violently murder all the government agents and then those with the most power rule, or something.

If you read Jim Bell's original "Assassination Politics" essay (posted to USENET, which was the style at the time), it's even more unhinged than Wikipedia makes him out to be:

outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbell

www.outpost-of-freedom.comAssassination Politics - by Jim Bell

@jhamby One should understand that cryptocurrency plus putting results of churning every piece of human writing (particularly news/current events) as it's written into a blockchain-consensus LLM enables implementation of Assassination Politics as a smart contract. The LLM part was the missing ingredient, to evaluate consensus about when assassination happened. This is really the end goal for a lot of the people into it.

@dalias I hadn't thought through the implications having an LLM would have on blockchain-based contracts. The whole "oracle" thing never seemed to be feasible other than for commonly-agreed-on things like stock prices or currency conversion rates. Until now.

What gets me is none of these guys seem like they would have thought of the idea of pooling cryptocurrency money to assassinate a CEO of a greedy company. It's only and always government employees they hate.

@jhamby @dalias I've always wondered about the latter too. Go after the guys who are actually destroying the planet and making life untenable.

As for oracles, it's always seemed to me that there is no reliable, unforgeable way to get realworld info into the blockchain. Every data feed can be forged, and LLMs do nothing to fix that.

Cassandrich

@hyc @jhamby For financial purposes anything decently over the accuracy of a coin toss is sufficient to profit from.

But blockchain LLM lets the big miners decide what actual or fabricated facts the model will reflect. Which to them is a feature. Remember when we say LLMs do a bad job we're talking about reflecting a genuine consensus reality based in fact/evidence, but they don't want or need that...

@dalias @jhamby they kinda do need that tho, if they want to stay relevant. Users will abandon them if they're always at odds with reality.