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Do I know any #zipdrive experts? I have two USB zip drives (100 megabytes). On both as soon as I power them on the green and amber lights turn on, and stay on. There's a second amber led on the PCB which flashes irregularly.
The device doesn't enumerate as a USB device at all, it appears entirely dead. The eject button similarly does nothing.
Does anyone know of any common board level issues with these devices?
Note that there wonky crystal is the same on both boards, and seems to be some kind of weird hack to put a thru hole component on an SMD only board.
Oh yeah, I've tried a different power supply but with no change.
There's also a chip on the board that seems to get kind of uncomfortably warm. So perhaps it really is just entirely dead.
@hp My default assumption would be bad capacitors, do those two in the top-left have signs of bulging/leakage?
Aside from that I don't see any obvious signs of magic smoke escape, so if it did die it didn't do so loudly at least.
Warm chip - what was this board housed in? It may have been relying on heatsinking to the chassis, or airflow from a fan somewhere? Or could just be made to run warm. Or dead as you say.
@hp Sticker says the board is 2001 vintage, which would be in scope for the capacitor plague. If able, I think my first stop would be swapping out those caps and seeing if that gets it to boot more. Symptom would be decreased capacitance and increased ESR, which if those are the bulk caps for the power rail, could result in unstable Vcc. That could certainly get everything else to malfunction.
I don't know if those form factor caps were prone to the plague tho.
@danderson @hp I think I'd go straight for the 2 caps on the north west peninsula. Sounds like power supply rail may be unstable, I'd guess they are filtering the noise usb 5V input.
Other consideration may be USB, like its USB 1.1 maybe even 1.0. Dunno if what u are plugging into may be >2 and may not support or kills the supply. 
Out of my depth and possibly talking through my hoop now.
@Doomstrike @danderson it's not USB powered, it has a separate power supply. The symptoms I got were all without even plugging in USB.
@hp @danderson ah OK so. I'd go for the caps then. Two failing boards says to me it is something time related, and everything else there should be largely unaffected, unless any obvious corrosion etc.
@Doomstrike @danderson Well, ordered a set of caps of various values. I'll let you know if it does anything!
@hp @Doomstrike Good luck! Fingers crossed.
A long time ago, I helped someone fix an HDMI receiver that was intermittently failing to power on, which involved replacing half a dozen caps in that form factor. None of them had visibly failed, but some combination of them had degraded enough that successful boot had become probabilistic and heavily temperature dependent. Similar symptoms, some LEDs would light and chips warm up a bit, but no activity. After cap swap, good as new, <1s bootup.
@hp @Doomstrike re that IC being 40-50C, I'm not a magic smoke doctor but that seems like a tolerable amount of heat, if it settles at that level. It's toasty, but I don't _think_ so much that it'd be awful junction temperature on the inside. Plastic enclosure might get a bit warm as it dissipates that to atmosphere, but not hot enough to be a safety concern, and 
cheaper to not bother with fancier cooling if the chip's not in danger, is the usual mass production ethos.
@hp @Doomstrike It could also cool down more once it boots successfully. If there's not enough supply rail capacitance, one possible failure mode is the microcontroller initializes, tries to power up some hungrier parts of itself or the board, that extra current draw causes the supply rail voltage to droop, triggers brownout protection, microcontroller resets, rinse, repeat. Effectively running at 100% utilization in a boot loop, instead of initializing then being mostly in low power sleep.
@danderson @Doomstrike I have two more zip drives of a slightly different vintage that are also broken.
I'm beginning to think these devices really, really suck.
@hp @Doomstrike Skimming the history of zip drives, I'm not surprised. They had a 4-year reign between data growth making floppies impractical and CD-R taking over, and only shipped a single design in that time. Probably different manufacturing spins, but that's not a ton of time to iterate on reliability. And then in 1998 they got a class action lawsuit for high failure rates, apparently?
Certainly doesn't paint a picture of being a paragon of reliability.
@danderson @Doomstrike Well, I definitely have two models that are very, very different from each other.
All broken though :)
@hp @Doomstrike Huh, all 100MB? They sold them with a bunch of different bus interfaces, so shows what I know I guess.
@danderson @Doomstrike the PCBs are completely different, as is the actual drive mechanism.
The more you know! 
@hp @danderson I might have that one one the right I can take a look. It will be same vintage. I keep it for my 2 zip discs i own, that I put off until now in transferring their vast 100MB anywhere ( I mean who has that kinda spare capacity elsewhere)
@hp @danderson wait mines a 250MB 
Well I haven't already backed up the disc in it so I'm kinda motivated to plug it in and least eject.
It's usb powered only here
@Doomstrike @danderson van you show me a picture of the back of that thing? I have a similar one, but mine take power, USB, and.... something else SCSI maybe? But I don't recognize the connector, it's not HDI or VHDI.
@hp @danderson this one is just usb A. Eject successful, turns out none of the relics I hoped may be stored on it were there. Very little on it.
Works fine though and was able back up
@Doomstrike @danderson Thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it!
@hp @danderson 2004 it seems so its much later in terms of how things evolved then