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Esk 🐌⚡💜

Howdy, @tailscale! I'm a Hachyderm infra admin. We use to stitch things together across clouds to make Hachyderm work. With yesterday's election results, in the event some kind of law were to be enacted restricting LGBTQIA+ content in the US, would we be in breach of the tailscale.com/terms and have our service terminated?

If yes, what are our self-hosting or alternative options?

tailscale.comTailscaleThese Tailscale Terms of Service (together with the Order Form, this "Agreement") govern Customer's access to and use of the Tailscale Solution. This Agreement forms a binding legal agreement between Tailscale Inc. and Customer.
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Esk 🐌⚡💜

@e_nomem yup - check the doc i just dropped in the channel! :blobfoxscience:

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Denis Evsyukov :verified:

@esk @tailscale The alternative is headscale. There are other options, but they are much worse.

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Esk 🐌⚡💜

@juev we have some more research to do, but this seems to be our leading alternative, should it come to it. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Esk 🐌⚡💜

Thanks for the suggestion, @paepke. Will take a look and check it out!

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Tailscale

Hi @esk

Thanks for reaching out and for using Tailscale

At Tailscale, we believe privacy is a fundamental human right. While we can’t offer legal advice, our technology is secure by design - we can’t access or monitor your data. Your data stays yours: private, secure, and out of reach.

We’re building the New Internet to be accessible to all. Our commitment is to support our users’ ability to remain secure and connected in any circumstance.

Avery, Tailscale CEO

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Esk 🐌⚡💜

@tailscale Thanks for the response. This is a super nice sentiment but doesn't directly answer the question. I'll have to interpret that as "if we receive a request from law enforcement/court to shut a customer's service down because of suspected 'illegal' content, we will have to comply".

Which is totally understandable - you are a business that exists in a legal context. Again, I appreciate the answer and engagement.

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Esk 🐌⚡💜

@tailscale so after doing a tiny bit more research, I found that TS is based in Toronto, which imo reduces some of the risk. US courts won't have jurisdiction in Canada and would need to coordinate with Canadian courts.

If we can also select our DERP servers and restrict them to non US endpoints, it seems this would significantly reduce our exposure to US law, since we only use TS in our backend.

It's not zero risk, but less than if you were a US company facing a US court order.

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Koen Martens

@esk @tailscale I'm sure you already know about this, but check out headscale if or when the US government forces @tailscale to discriminate.

headscale.net/

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